Curse

Deleet · Jan 15, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by Kabale

Legit or not, the purpose is to discourage leaving, and this is something the people with 'legit' reasons should be aware of and accept if they do have to leave in a hurry. I don't think 10 minutes is the end of the world anyway, and the price people would have to pay would solve a lot of the issues with RA, mainly 'spike joining'.

To address your second point, I don't really see this happening. Afking would take more time to do than going head-first into battle, which most of the time is what people do anyway. So long as they do some damage while trying to suicide, I'm happy (pictures BiP sacrificers and shudders). Eventually the players that don't get along with the idea that you actually need a self-sufficient build in RA will change their minds, or leave. Then they won't have to worry about the relatively small chance of a Monk ending up on their team.

On your third note, I'm going to have to throw the 'casual gamer' remark - even though I have plenty of experience in the other fields of play. RA is different for me as it means I can just stay off vent, not bother communicating with anyone, and just concentrate on doing my own thing, and most importantly, in my own time. If 10 minutes really bothers you that much, well, you said it yourself:

The temporary ban should only be for RA though, not any other arena as they are not related whatsoever.

All leaving is legit. Stop playing police.

Kabale · Jan 15, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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All leaving is legit. Stop playing police.

I'm not playing anything here - this is, after all, a suggestion forum and I'm simply posting my view on it. All leaving is legit until Anet decides otherwise.

linh · Jan 15, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Ok, seriously, your solution by banning first person who leaves a RA team can't help at all.
Some examples :
-Player has to go, but he doesn't want to be banned because his son/friend wants to play RA soon on his account after that, so he is just afk the rest of the match.
-Your team lose badly, and only one person left with no res. But he is a runner who runs around while the other team doesn't have snare skill. Or he is a tank and other team has all tank too, which means no one can kill anyone. In both situations, no one can finish the match, so people ( include winning team and losing team) will just rage quit because 25 Factions don't worth the time you spent. Does it count as leaver ?
There are a lot more examples, which make impossible to do this idea. You can't obligate people to play because it just makes the game frustrating and annoying. You have to live with it because it is Random Arena.

glountz · Jan 15, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

[QUOTE=linhlh]Ok, seriously, your solution by banning first person who leaves a RA team can't help at all.
Some examples :
-Player has to go, but he doesn't want to be banned because his son/friend wants to play RA soon on his account after that, so he is just afk the rest of the match.
/QUOTE]
He has just to wait til the end of the fight. Average fight duration in RA is 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by linhlh

-Your team lose badly, and only one person left with no res. But he is a runner who runs around while the other team doesn't have snare skill. Or he is a tank and other team has all tank too, which means no one can kill anyone. In both situations, no one can finish the match, so people ( include winning team and losing team) will just rage quit because 25 Factions don't worth the time you spent. Does it count as leaver ?

It has been asked for a long time now to implement a time limit for RA fights. It could be implemented the same way.

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Originally Posted by linhlh

There are a lot more examples, which make impossible to do this idea, because it just makes the game frustrating and annoying. You have to live with it because it is Random Arena.

Whatever example you could find, 10 minutes ban is completely ridiculous compared to the time you spend playing. In addition, there are not so many legit reasons to leave. Most have been answered and considered. The others represent , what, 0.00000001% of the current leaving?

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Originally Posted by Deleet

All leaving is legit. Stop playing police.

Don't try to justify leaving. That's just like justifying scamming or AFKing or Botting.
I myself left many crap teams in RA, but ALWAYS AT THE END OF THE FIGHT.
Just wait 1:30 minutes and fight as you can, that's not that hard, you damn leaver.
I personally stopped RA. I do scrimmage or TA in place. I don't even test anymore builds in this stupid place, zaishen challenges are enough for me.

Patrick Smit · Jan 15, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Not signed, I agree to many objections made from the point of view of "legit" leavers. I dont like leavers that obviously leave cause there is no monk, but i Rather punish them by them not being able to gain balth faction then by them being absent. I dont think there is a proper solution unless u link it to "leaving" statistics, more then a couple of leaves on your account within a given time gives u a ban or inability to gain balth. It must be accountwide in order to prevent relogs and such.

Sofonisba · Jan 15, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

/signed, but maybe with a 5 min penalty instead of 10.

5 minutes is enough time for you to finish eating dinner, reboot if you were kicked, feed the cats, go to the bathroom, get your drink, whatever it is that took you away from the fight.

It is also enough time to gauge whether you wish to stay and finish the fight (matches are usually less than 5 mins anyway). If you have a runner on the other team, and you can't kill him, how long do you wait before quitting? I'd wager you waste 5 minutes or more trying, before mapping out, am I right?

Once again, those who say RA is stupid and worthless? Stay out of it then. Keep your leet ranked bum in HA and let us casual players have a slightly better chance of testing a build which may one day be good enough for a higher level of PvP. That's what it's for.

linh · Jan 15, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by glountz

He has just to wait til the end of the fight. Average fight duration in RA is 2 minutes.

I mean he just goes afk, is an afker better than a leaver ?

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Originally Posted by glountz

It has been asked for a long time now to implement a time limit for RA fights. It could be implemented the same way.

Assume the time limit is 10 mins, so we have to wait and watch the wamo tanking for 10 mins to "be allowed" to quit, right ?

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Originally Posted by glountz

Whatever example you could find, 10 minutes ban is completely ridiculous compared to the time you spend playing.

yes, it is "only" 10 mins, but it is very annoying. It makes people feel obligate to play.

daraaksii · Jan 15, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

/notsigned..

They will just sit down, run in circles.

Isileth · Jan 15, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

There are a lot of legit reasons to leave, I know I often find myself pulled away and often its less than 10 minutes. But whats a good way of spotting a legit leaver from someone being annoying or leaving due to teams?
Ive always felt someone along the lines of if someone leaves x times in y mins they get z min ban. This way the one off quit from someone answering the phone or whatever isnt punished. But if someone continually leaves then its most likely they are indeed doing it for personal gain.

Something like 2 games quit in 30 mins gets you a 10 min ban or something. Just seems to allow for real life issues while still stopping those who are hunting for the "perfect" team.

Of course with the number of tanks and runners it still would be easy to reach that limit, but thats a different topic

Ung · Jan 15, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by glountz

/signed for a 10 min ban for PvP areas only true leaving before the end of the fight.
This way:
- If you leave, you can still play PVE.
- If you err7, you can still play PVP and PVE.
- If your team doesn't suit you, you can leave with no penalty at the end of the fight, so the left team will have a replacer and you will be able to try to find another team.

Simple and effective. I signed for something like this before in this thread.

Ladies ang gentlemen, remember, that some of these "notsigned"-guys ("RA is for fun", "go play TA/HA" etc.) can be those leavers that leave us in the fight every day and every match.

Simple prevention of joining PvP-match for 10 minutes after the leaving is not strict, so there are no reasons to "not sign" if we want to save Random Arenas.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Best Regards,
Ung

Faer · Jan 15, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Did I search? yes

What did I find? A million threads that Anet has ignored over the past 2 years.

Creating another thread doesn't draw a company's attention to an idea any faster than posting in an older thread featuring the same concept. This is why, rather than creating a new thread, you should find the most mentally stimulating previous thread on the subject and insert your feedback there. New threads create clutter and organizational catastrophes for moderators, and nobody likes a catastrophe (unless that somebody is a Commie. BLASTED REDS!).